1 00:00:08,570 --> 00:00:17,140 [Music] 2 00:00:25,249 --> 00:00:20,630 welcome to share with reality with your 3 00:00:28,159 --> 00:00:25,259 hosts Kate Valentine and Foofa prepared 4 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:28,169 two headed paradigms she stood in the 5 00:00:37,310 --> 00:00:32,250 truths questioned and now shattered 6 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:37,320 reality hey Kate how are you today I'm 7 00:00:41,870 --> 00:00:39,600 really really good how are you 8 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:41,880 from lucious I tell you today's been a 9 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:44,310 day yes it has been quite quite an 10 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:47,810 interesting today today today is in fact 11 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:53,130 January 3rd 2017 and we have a really 12 00:00:59,350 --> 00:00:56,160 unusual and interesting show today 13 00:01:02,660 --> 00:00:59,360 because we took a slight departure 14 00:01:05,389 --> 00:01:02,670 because of this is our holiday show even 15 00:01:06,980 --> 00:01:05,399 though it's after the holiday but we 16 00:01:10,700 --> 00:01:06,990 wanted to do something a little bit 17 00:01:13,790 --> 00:01:10,710 different and I decided like you know a 18 00:01:16,460 --> 00:01:13,800 number of our guests this is a 40 second 19 00:01:19,969 --> 00:01:16,470 show by the way and a number of our 20 00:01:22,750 --> 00:01:19,979 guests um have been people who have 21 00:01:27,050 --> 00:01:22,760 talked about their personal experiences 22 00:01:29,990 --> 00:01:27,060 and then we've had people on who study 23 00:01:33,770 --> 00:01:30,000 these experiences the parapsychologists 24 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:33,780 etc etc okay and I thought it would 25 00:01:39,020 --> 00:01:36,330 really be interesting to have a couple 26 00:01:40,820 --> 00:01:39,030 of our favorite guests of a very 27 00:01:44,050 --> 00:01:40,830 favorite guests well our guests have 28 00:01:48,469 --> 00:01:44,060 been quite good but and and talked about 29 00:01:49,850 --> 00:01:48,479 their particular unusual experiences not 30 00:01:53,210 --> 00:01:49,860 that they study but they've had 31 00:01:54,590 --> 00:01:53,220 themselves right okay so I also wanted 32 00:01:56,660 --> 00:01:54,600 to mention that there are people out 33 00:01:58,820 --> 00:01:56,670 there and I don't quite get this who 34 00:02:01,039 --> 00:01:58,830 studied this this phenomena these 35 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:01,049 various phenomena that are out there 36 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:03,090 they study these things and they have 37 00:02:08,210 --> 00:02:06,570 had no experiences themselves and I have 38 00:02:11,119 --> 00:02:08,220 to wonder how they do it you know how 39 00:02:13,670 --> 00:02:11,129 they keep that focus having never had an 40 00:02:16,159 --> 00:02:13,680 experience if I never had had an 41 00:02:19,099 --> 00:02:16,169 experience I think that it's possible I 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:19,109 might be a skeptic you know certainly 43 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:20,370 yeah 44 00:02:29,509 --> 00:02:24,209 but let's introduce our very first guest 45 00:02:33,170 --> 00:02:29,519 of 2017 a wonderful terrific man who has 46 00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:33,180 written a number of books on and who has 47 00:02:40,550 --> 00:02:37,200 recently made his own movie called 48 00:02:44,869 --> 00:02:40,560 third-eye spies which is the history of 49 00:02:48,170 --> 00:02:44,879 remote viewing so I want to say put your 50 00:02:50,860 --> 00:02:48,180 hands together for a row a clap but 51 00:02:54,710 --> 00:02:50,870 we're not in a public arena so okay 52 00:02:56,690 --> 00:02:54,720 Russell Targ the wonderful physicist who 53 00:03:00,920 --> 00:02:56,700 worked on the remote viewing programs 54 00:03:06,050 --> 00:03:00,930 for the CIA and the DIA I'm very happy 55 00:03:09,229 --> 00:03:06,060 to be with you for sure yeah Thank You 56 00:03:11,149 --> 00:03:09,239 aunt Cate Valentine and I say hi because 57 00:03:14,020 --> 00:03:11,159 I know you've been on with us before and 58 00:03:18,759 --> 00:03:14,030 that's great to speak to you again 59 00:03:22,069 --> 00:03:18,769 so Russell tell us you you had when I 60 00:03:25,330 --> 00:03:22,079 asked you about this program you told me 61 00:03:29,030 --> 00:03:25,340 about a very very amazing 62 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:29,040 precognitive and anxiety-filled dream 63 00:03:34,580 --> 00:03:32,130 that you had and perhaps you would like 64 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:34,590 to talk to us about that today because 65 00:03:39,860 --> 00:03:37,560 you you as I have mentioned you're like 66 00:03:41,869 --> 00:03:39,870 this really famous name and remote 67 00:03:43,550 --> 00:03:41,879 viewing but it's mostly been about 68 00:03:48,229 --> 00:03:43,560 others you know you've talked to us 69 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:48,239 about Pat price and Ingo Swann and all 70 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:50,730 the people who worked with you at the 71 00:03:56,599 --> 00:03:53,489 Stanford Research Institute but now 72 00:03:58,879 --> 00:03:56,609 we're going to hear a psychic experience 73 00:04:02,569 --> 00:03:58,889 I would have gotten into psychic 74 00:04:05,150 --> 00:04:02,579 research I would have bet my career if I 75 00:04:07,780 --> 00:04:05,160 hadn't had experiences that is I got 76 00:04:11,839 --> 00:04:07,790 into psychic abilities research 77 00:04:16,300 --> 00:04:11,849 professionally in 1972 and at that point 78 00:04:21,710 --> 00:04:16,310 I had been a laser pioneer researcher 79 00:04:24,740 --> 00:04:21,720 for 15 years but as a child I had had 80 00:04:29,209 --> 00:04:24,750 all sorts of psychic experiences and I 81 00:04:32,980 --> 00:04:29,219 was a child magician doing pretend magic 82 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:32,990 and then when I got the SR I 83 00:04:39,490 --> 00:04:36,050 working for the CIA it is of the child 84 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:39,500 magician got to do real magic every day 85 00:04:46,510 --> 00:04:42,410 for a living so the most was my reward 86 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:46,520 for a early interested magic that when I 87 00:04:53,950 --> 00:04:50,770 got to Fri I was able to propose 88 00:04:57,999 --> 00:04:53,960 investigations of psychic research with 89 00:05:02,890 --> 00:04:58,009 a great deal of confidence as I told had 90 00:05:05,110 --> 00:05:02,900 a director of the CIA had a director 91 00:05:07,180 --> 00:05:05,120 that I am confident this is going to 92 00:05:09,490 --> 00:05:07,190 work because I've seen it work I'm not 93 00:05:12,210 --> 00:05:09,500 kidding you this is going to be 94 00:05:14,740 --> 00:05:12,220 successful and I could do that 95 00:05:17,890 --> 00:05:14,750 partly because we'd work with a great 96 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:17,900 Pat price and also because I have seen 97 00:05:24,850 --> 00:05:22,970 these things in my life and in the book 98 00:05:27,909 --> 00:05:24,860 I wrote a book talking about all the 99 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:27,919 stuff we had done for the CIA for 20 100 00:05:33,909 --> 00:05:30,289 years ago I wrote a book called the 101 00:05:36,689 --> 00:05:33,919 reality of ESP and the most important 102 00:05:39,730 --> 00:05:36,699 thing I can tell your listeners is that 103 00:05:43,029 --> 00:05:39,740 psychic abilities are independent of 104 00:05:45,129 --> 00:05:43,039 time and independent of space the most 105 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:45,139 interesting thing I know about remote 106 00:05:49,749 --> 00:05:47,690 viewing it is it the most important 107 00:05:53,050 --> 00:05:49,759 thing I know is that we all have this 108 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:53,060 ability is not a special ability we all 109 00:05:58,930 --> 00:05:55,250 can make use of psychic abilities to 110 00:06:01,570 --> 00:05:58,940 enrich your life but as a physicist the 111 00:06:04,990 --> 00:06:01,580 most interesting thing I know is that 112 00:06:08,110 --> 00:06:05,000 the accuracy and the reliability are not 113 00:06:11,649 --> 00:06:08,120 all degraded by increasing the distance 114 00:06:13,899 --> 00:06:11,659 between you and me it's no harder for me 115 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:13,909 to describe what's on your table in New 116 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:16,370 York than it is for me to describe 117 00:06:22,810 --> 00:06:18,409 what's going on across the street Palo 118 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:22,820 Alto and similarly it's no harder to 119 00:06:29,020 --> 00:06:26,330 describe what's going to happen hours or 120 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:29,030 days in the future that is to see 121 00:06:34,719 --> 00:06:31,610 something contemporaneously and for a 122 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:34,729 physicist this precognitive aspect is 123 00:06:40,180 --> 00:06:36,740 the most interesting part of psychic 124 00:06:44,110 --> 00:06:40,190 ability so I'm pretty much retired now 125 00:06:46,420 --> 00:06:44,120 and people always want me to do lectures 126 00:06:48,610 --> 00:06:46,430 or do demonstration to do 127 00:06:51,700 --> 00:06:48,620 projects but the thing that I'm most 128 00:06:54,340 --> 00:06:51,710 interested in as a physicist is how it 129 00:06:57,070 --> 00:06:54,350 is that we can know what happens in the 130 00:06:59,170 --> 00:06:57,080 future before it happens so that's why I 131 00:07:05,340 --> 00:06:59,180 told you about this sort of interesting 132 00:07:09,460 --> 00:07:05,350 Christmas dream that I had as I quote 133 00:07:11,350 --> 00:07:09,470 how old are you you had to say no no the 134 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:11,360 dream about stayed the dream that we're 135 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:14,690 talking about I had two weeks ago hmm 136 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:19,370 oh yeah I've had numerous precognitive 137 00:07:25,450 --> 00:07:22,610 dreams and the deal with precognitive 138 00:07:27,490 --> 00:07:25,460 dreams is you don't get credit for them 139 00:07:30,420 --> 00:07:27,500 in the big book and as you tell 140 00:07:33,430 --> 00:07:30,430 something about it before it occurs 141 00:07:37,540 --> 00:07:33,440 because people always have weird dreams 142 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:37,550 and then it comes true and then you show 143 00:07:44,020 --> 00:07:40,370 somebody and I put in a skeptic will say 144 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:44,030 well how many dreams you have to then 145 00:07:49,750 --> 00:07:47,450 come to don't come true and the 146 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:49,760 discernment is the very important part 147 00:07:58,840 --> 00:07:55,250 of this that is a skillful dreamer or a 148 00:08:00,990 --> 00:07:58,850 skillful meditator will be able to tell 149 00:08:04,330 --> 00:08:01,000 the difference between an ordinary 150 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:04,340 anxiety dream or a wish fulfillment 151 00:08:11,380 --> 00:08:08,030 dream as compared with one that doesn't 152 00:08:13,420 --> 00:08:11,390 contain things here worried about that 153 00:08:16,170 --> 00:08:13,430 you've got to separate out the anxiety 154 00:08:20,470 --> 00:08:16,180 dream from the precognitive dream 155 00:08:23,830 --> 00:08:20,480 precognitive dream is usually of unusual 156 00:08:26,230 --> 00:08:23,840 clarity and brilliance and it must 157 00:08:30,190 --> 00:08:26,240 contain things that are not part of your 158 00:08:34,060 --> 00:08:30,200 ordinary life for example if I would 159 00:08:35,860 --> 00:08:34,070 dream about a fire engine parked in 160 00:08:38,050 --> 00:08:35,870 front of my house and then I went out I 161 00:08:41,770 --> 00:08:38,060 saw fire engine well that would be 162 00:08:43,750 --> 00:08:41,780 moderately surprising all but you 163 00:08:46,570 --> 00:08:43,760 because they will how many times has 164 00:08:49,930 --> 00:08:46,580 there been a parrot a fire engine parked 165 00:08:53,590 --> 00:08:49,940 on your street and I would say Oh once 166 00:08:55,990 --> 00:08:53,600 or twice and that's too many or 167 00:08:58,180 --> 00:08:56,000 precognitive dream the answer to how 168 00:08:59,570 --> 00:08:58,190 many times have you seen this thing has 169 00:09:02,900 --> 00:08:59,580 got to be never 170 00:09:07,610 --> 00:09:02,910 or let are less than ever right there 171 00:09:12,550 --> 00:09:07,620 unbelievable and I've had a few of those 172 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:12,560 and the usually of a usual clarity and 173 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:16,769 high strangeness and the one that I just 174 00:09:23,630 --> 00:09:20,490 had was of a New York clarity at high 175 00:09:26,210 --> 00:09:23,640 strangeness it fit perfectly it fits 176 00:09:27,620 --> 00:09:26,220 perfectly all my guidelines so that's 177 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:27,630 what I'd like to tell you about the 178 00:09:33,949 --> 00:09:32,040 start the year well that's great that 179 00:09:36,620 --> 00:09:33,959 sounds like a very very good way to 180 00:09:41,389 --> 00:09:36,630 start our year here at shattered Rialto 181 00:09:45,410 --> 00:09:41,399 I had this dream and in the dream I went 182 00:09:50,660 --> 00:09:45,420 to my Wells Fargo safe-deposit box which 183 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:50,670 I go to like every second year and in 184 00:09:56,329 --> 00:09:53,610 the dream I took out my Swiss Army knife 185 00:10:00,980 --> 00:09:56,339 which I always have and I used it to 186 00:10:03,949 --> 00:10:00,990 take a rectangular silver plate off the 187 00:10:06,620 --> 00:10:03,959 wall so in the dream I took out my Swiss 188 00:10:09,319 --> 00:10:06,630 Army knife and unscrewed the silver 189 00:10:13,790 --> 00:10:09,329 plate from the wall of the bank building 190 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:13,800 in my little secure area where the 191 00:10:20,060 --> 00:10:17,360 safety deposit boxes are now that's all 192 00:10:23,199 --> 00:10:20,070 there's a special room I can't stop your 193 00:10:26,569 --> 00:10:23,209 room there is already pretty peculiar 194 00:10:29,180 --> 00:10:26,579 but as I left the bank in my dream I 195 00:10:30,889 --> 00:10:29,190 realize I had just stolen something from 196 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:30,899 the bank and I've got to get rid of it 197 00:10:35,860 --> 00:10:33,930 so I thought in the dream maybe I could 198 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:35,870 throw this off the Golden Gate Bridge 199 00:10:42,079 --> 00:10:39,690 I'm sure it would think and I said no 200 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:42,089 somebody might see me or they have 201 00:10:46,460 --> 00:10:44,010 cameras there I can't throw it off the 202 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:46,470 Golden Gate Bridge so I said well I 203 00:10:53,420 --> 00:10:49,529 could wrap it a napkin and throw it in 204 00:10:56,750 --> 00:10:53,430 the trash barrel at McDonald's hamburger 205 00:10:58,819 --> 00:10:56,760 store and I said no if I did that my 206 00:11:01,490 --> 00:10:58,829 fingerprints would still be on it and 207 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:01,500 when they found the silver thing they 208 00:11:07,189 --> 00:11:03,690 would trace it back to me I've got to 209 00:11:09,590 --> 00:11:07,199 get the fingerprints office so I cried 210 00:11:12,889 --> 00:11:09,600 soap and water in the dream and that 211 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:12,899 didn't work and I got the assets 212 00:11:18,590 --> 00:11:15,689 on nail-polish remover which is very 213 00:11:20,359 --> 00:11:18,600 good solid that doesn't work and I went 214 00:11:23,239 --> 00:11:20,369 under the kitchen sink and got kitchen 215 00:11:26,239 --> 00:11:23,249 cleanser and that didn't work and while 216 00:11:29,210 --> 00:11:26,249 I was under the think I saw steel wool 217 00:11:32,269 --> 00:11:29,220 and scoured the silver but there are 218 00:11:34,189 --> 00:11:32,279 always traces of fingerprints and as I 219 00:11:37,730 --> 00:11:34,199 say this to you now this reminds me of 220 00:11:40,009 --> 00:11:37,740 the scene from Hamlet where Hamlet is 221 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:40,019 trying to scrub the blood off of 222 00:11:47,989 --> 00:11:42,420 something I don't know if here even have 223 00:11:50,059 --> 00:11:47,999 that right yes out there evil as much I 224 00:11:52,549 --> 00:11:50,069 was not at all in the dream I did all 225 00:11:56,419 --> 00:11:52,559 this stuff I was not able to scrub the 226 00:11:59,749 --> 00:11:56,429 fingerprints off the off the plate and 227 00:12:02,210 --> 00:11:59,759 then I woke up in an anxiety dream and 228 00:12:05,449 --> 00:12:02,220 told my wife about I so they had a very 229 00:12:08,449 --> 00:12:05,459 unusual dream has many many unusual 230 00:12:10,819 --> 00:12:08,459 parts and I went through all these 231 00:12:13,790 --> 00:12:10,829 different exercises and she thought that 232 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:13,800 certainly sounded unusual that was that 233 00:12:19,059 --> 00:12:16,889 that was had a coffee at 8 o'clock in 234 00:12:21,739 --> 00:12:19,069 the morning I told my wife no story 235 00:12:26,119 --> 00:12:21,749 around one o'clock the afternoon I got a 236 00:12:28,129 --> 00:12:26,129 FedEx package skinny and broken FedEx 237 00:12:33,220 --> 00:12:28,139 couldn't imagine where it was I pulled 238 00:12:38,929 --> 00:12:33,230 it open and inside the package was a 239 00:12:45,259 --> 00:12:38,939 very thin glass screen protector for my 240 00:12:51,530 --> 00:12:45,269 big cell phone I have a Apple 6x to the 241 00:12:53,629 --> 00:12:51,540 largest cell phone from last year and I 242 00:12:57,410 --> 00:12:53,639 began tyno somebody who dropped it and 243 00:13:00,199 --> 00:12:57,420 broke it a couple of weeks ago so on see 244 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:00,209 I've never I'm very careful persons I 245 00:13:04,789 --> 00:13:02,850 have never dropped a phone but but it's 246 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:04,799 out there I could see what happens if 247 00:13:11,179 --> 00:13:08,240 you drop a big phone breaks so I or 248 00:13:16,669 --> 00:13:11,189 certainly they yes screen protector 249 00:13:20,829 --> 00:13:16,679 which is actually a very very thin piece 250 00:13:24,110 --> 00:13:20,839 of what they call ballistic laughs and 251 00:13:25,610 --> 00:13:24,120 as I pulled that out a package there are 252 00:13:28,970 --> 00:13:25,620 a bunch of other little package 253 00:13:31,690 --> 00:13:28,980 choose little packets with it I read all 254 00:13:35,030 --> 00:13:31,700 this stuff because I could see that 255 00:13:39,140 --> 00:13:35,040 getting the skinny piece of glass on my 256 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:39,150 screen is is not so simple because it 257 00:13:43,430 --> 00:13:41,490 you only get what because it's sticky on 258 00:13:46,010 --> 00:13:43,440 one side and it's got to be perfectly 259 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:46,020 placed so I read all the material and 260 00:13:50,450 --> 00:13:47,850 this is the most important thing is to 261 00:13:52,700 --> 00:13:50,460 not have fingerprints on it and you've 262 00:13:57,680 --> 00:13:52,710 got a carefully scour the fingerprint 263 00:14:00,530 --> 00:13:57,690 and we give you a powder to put on this 264 00:14:03,019 --> 00:14:00,540 so that you can cut the grease and get 265 00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:03,029 the get them off and then use the 266 00:14:10,450 --> 00:14:06,480 solvent to get that off and then we give 267 00:14:13,250 --> 00:14:10,460 you a special cloth to polish both your 268 00:14:15,380 --> 00:14:13,260 glass that you just bought and the 269 00:14:18,380 --> 00:14:15,390 screen could essentially get the 270 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:18,390 fingerprints off but before you do that 271 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:20,850 you've got to watch our six minute video 272 00:14:27,050 --> 00:14:24,330 on exactly how to use these three 273 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:27,060 packets to get the fingerprints off the 274 00:14:34,519 --> 00:14:31,290 screen or off the cloth so I had this 275 00:14:36,890 --> 00:14:34,529 like 15 minutes seance about finger 276 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:36,900 prints in the middle of the afternoon 277 00:14:46,579 --> 00:14:40,529 and of course this piece of glass is 278 00:14:48,890 --> 00:14:46,589 exactly the size of the silver wall play 279 00:14:52,070 --> 00:14:48,900 roll the wall plate that I saw in my 280 00:14:54,019 --> 00:14:52,080 dream was like the middle cover you'd 281 00:14:56,750 --> 00:14:54,029 put over a light switch that you'd no 282 00:14:59,540 --> 00:14:56,760 longer using like a wall like a wall 283 00:15:05,960 --> 00:14:59,550 swinging blank so it's exactly the size 284 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:05,970 of the thing so and I'm I'm looking 285 00:15:11,410 --> 00:15:08,610 right here at my own iPhone 6x and I 286 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:11,420 know exactly what you're talking about 287 00:15:16,670 --> 00:15:14,730 I'm very queued up for this kind of 288 00:15:18,890 --> 00:15:16,680 precognitive thing especially one that 289 00:15:23,060 --> 00:15:18,900 is so accurate and has so many moving 290 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:23,070 parts did not cross my mind that is 291 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:26,250 related to my dream totally wrapped up 292 00:15:33,829 --> 00:15:29,730 in the event and then I got my wife who 293 00:15:36,980 --> 00:15:33,839 is better a real acuity to actually help 294 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:36,990 me place his delicate little thing on my 295 00:15:41,660 --> 00:15:38,370 phone and that 296 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:41,670 work perfectly and in the evening I was 297 00:15:52,790 --> 00:15:46,610 reading biography of the famous Russian 298 00:15:55,810 --> 00:15:52,800 psychic wolf messing and in his 299 00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:55,820 biography it told about his amazing 300 00:16:01,400 --> 00:15:58,560 precognitive dreams in addition to his 301 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:01,410 like Philip applicability so it wasn't 302 00:16:07,790 --> 00:16:04,410 until like eight hours later that 303 00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:07,800 occurred to me that the whole thing was 304 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:09,779 really the carrying out of a psychic 305 00:16:15,350 --> 00:16:12,810 dreams like as though it's as though I 306 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:15,360 was in the psychic bug bubble for a half 307 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:19,410 a day as I had I had to dream yeah then 308 00:16:24,380 --> 00:16:21,570 I had the fulfillment of the dream with 309 00:16:26,660 --> 00:16:24,390 all the fingerprint nonsense and then 310 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:26,670 eight hours later I read about both 311 00:16:35,450 --> 00:16:30,870 Messing and his astonishing psychic 312 00:16:39,500 --> 00:16:35,460 performances so that was my day before 313 00:16:44,769 --> 00:16:39,510 Christmas precognitive adventures and it 314 00:16:50,810 --> 00:16:47,380 know knowing that just did not 315 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:50,820 correspondent anxiety dream a skeptic 316 00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:53,850 might say well you did order the screen 317 00:17:01,610 --> 00:16:58,410 protector so if all I had is the whole 318 00:17:05,120 --> 00:17:01,620 dream had been that I got a screen 319 00:17:08,569 --> 00:17:05,130 protector in the mail and that 320 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:08,579 correspond it to the wall plate where 321 00:17:13,250 --> 00:17:10,050 you can say well you were waiting for 322 00:17:15,740 --> 00:17:13,260 your screen protector well that happened 323 00:17:18,340 --> 00:17:15,750 not to be true but that would be a 324 00:17:21,740 --> 00:17:18,350 reasonable thing to say but the whole 325 00:17:22,790 --> 00:17:21,750 fingerprint seance was not part of what 326 00:17:26,780 --> 00:17:22,800 I was expecting 327 00:17:29,330 --> 00:17:26,790 yeah so it's really the fingerprint 328 00:17:33,710 --> 00:17:29,340 roasting that makes this an amazing 329 00:17:35,990 --> 00:17:33,720 story yes it really is it's quite 330 00:17:39,020 --> 00:17:36,000 entertaining and and and very 331 00:17:42,350 --> 00:17:39,030 interesting and just shows you how some 332 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:42,360 reasonably mundane things can show up 333 00:17:49,550 --> 00:17:44,970 pre cognitively in our dreams as well as 334 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:49,560 things of greater immense importance 335 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:51,210 next door right 336 00:17:56,990 --> 00:17:54,210 and my books are summarizing all of our 337 00:18:01,340 --> 00:17:57,000 research in reality of ESP I give a 338 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:01,350 number of instances where I have dreams 339 00:18:07,310 --> 00:18:05,190 that are high strangeness dreams through 340 00:18:07,639 --> 00:18:07,320 a one-minute description of a dream like 341 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:07,649 that 342 00:18:13,779 --> 00:18:11,490 is I direct I live in a wooden house 343 00:18:17,299 --> 00:18:13,789 with high ceilings and I had a dream 344 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:17,309 where I had a electric train running 345 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:21,120 around the wainscoting above the wall 346 00:18:26,659 --> 00:18:24,450 and below the ceiling those electric 347 00:18:30,289 --> 00:18:26,669 train was running in a circle around my 348 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:30,299 living room so I thought that was pretty 349 00:18:33,620 --> 00:18:31,980 amazing I don't have an electric train 350 00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:33,630 there have been trained in this house 351 00:18:39,830 --> 00:18:37,200 for 40 years so I told my wife about us 352 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:39,840 we've got no trains a trailer you know 353 00:18:44,330 --> 00:18:41,970 she said what what could that be so I 354 00:18:46,970 --> 00:18:44,340 got my coffee as I always do went into 355 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:46,980 my study with a computer to see what's 356 00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:49,320 on the first pages of New York Times and 357 00:18:56,120 --> 00:18:52,350 the first page New York Times has a 358 00:18:58,820 --> 00:18:56,130 story about the reconstruction of the 359 00:19:03,139 --> 00:18:58,830 elevated trains in Chicago where I grew 360 00:19:07,100 --> 00:19:03,149 up and on the front pages of paper they 361 00:19:10,159 --> 00:19:07,110 had animated photographs of the elevated 362 00:19:15,110 --> 00:19:10,169 train running in a circle around what's 363 00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:15,120 called the loop so I would have to say 364 00:19:22,279 --> 00:19:18,960 that my experience of seeing the trains 365 00:19:27,860 --> 00:19:22,289 running around the loop at 8 o'clock was 366 00:19:31,399 --> 00:19:27,870 the cause of my dream at 6 o'clock yeah 367 00:19:33,139 --> 00:19:31,409 I would say so that's that's quite quite 368 00:19:37,279 --> 00:19:33,149 interesting to you do you by the way 369 00:19:40,340 --> 00:19:37,289 just for the thought do you keep a dream 370 00:19:44,180 --> 00:19:40,350 journal I mean I try that do you I don't 371 00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:44,190 keep it III think I once did but I've 372 00:19:53,139 --> 00:19:48,960 not III I don't I don't do that 373 00:19:56,389 --> 00:19:53,149 these are usually our dreams on awaking 374 00:19:58,639 --> 00:19:56,399 rather than they tell you our hypnagogic 375 00:20:01,419 --> 00:19:58,649 dreams or images you see when you go to 376 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:01,429 sleep the dreams I have are circled 377 00:20:08,380 --> 00:20:03,890 hypnopompic dreams 378 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:08,390 just like the last dream I have I have I 379 00:20:16,990 --> 00:20:14,290 have this dream and then I wake up and I 380 00:20:19,090 --> 00:20:17,000 usually have some coffee and buy that's 381 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:19,100 on my wife four beers I share my dream 382 00:20:25,930 --> 00:20:23,810 with her well that's nice that's a nice 383 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:25,940 tradition but I don't be bright only 384 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:27,410 bright don't count records 385 00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:30,650 I consider it important to discern the 386 00:20:34,180 --> 00:20:32,600 difference between our an ordinary 387 00:20:37,630 --> 00:20:34,190 anxiety dream 388 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:37,640 I mean I'm 82 years old I'm still having 389 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:40,750 dreams about not being prepared for 390 00:20:47,410 --> 00:20:44,930 examinations so close well I am city 391 00:20:52,750 --> 00:20:47,420 mild life the biggest trauma in my life 392 00:20:56,050 --> 00:20:52,760 is not being prepared for exams oh oh 393 00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,060 that's that's that's me wrong a lot of 394 00:21:01,120 --> 00:20:58,640 anxiety I have dreams sometimes about 395 00:21:04,990 --> 00:21:01,130 going out on stage without a piece of my 396 00:21:07,990 --> 00:21:05,000 costume or unprepared with lines for a 397 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:08,000 play that sort of a thing so anyway New 398 00:21:14,380 --> 00:21:10,850 York named for Subway very popular 399 00:21:19,150 --> 00:21:14,390 subway posters I dreamt that I was on at 400 00:21:22,210 --> 00:21:19,160 the Met and my Maidenform bra bra yes I 401 00:21:27,970 --> 00:21:22,220 have those kind of dreams exactly 402 00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:27,980 sometimes anyway thank you for telling 403 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:30,320 us this very very interesting actually 404 00:21:34,990 --> 00:21:33,050 two stories and I want to give you the 405 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:35,000 opportunity right now Russell to just 406 00:21:40,330 --> 00:21:38,570 tell us about your movie and we heard 407 00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:40,340 about the book which is I can vouch for 408 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:43,070 is a very excellent book because I own 409 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:47,090 it and also I've seen a scene iterations 410 00:21:50,980 --> 00:21:49,010 of the movie twice I don't know where 411 00:21:53,710 --> 00:21:50,990 you're at with it right now but it's a 412 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:53,720 hundred always start a documentary 413 00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:54,050 called 414 00:21:59,170 --> 00:21:57,110 third eye spies which we hope will be 415 00:21:59,880 --> 00:21:59,180 released in the fall as we finish the 416 00:22:04,330 --> 00:21:59,890 film 417 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:04,340 we recently cut it from director's cut 418 00:22:09,540 --> 00:22:06,710 of two hours to what they want to show 419 00:22:13,180 --> 00:22:09,550 in the theater which is about 90 minutes 420 00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:13,190 if you have an adventure film where 421 00:22:18,409 --> 00:22:15,840 pauline is hanging by our fingernails 422 00:22:21,019 --> 00:22:18,419 the ball are laying out of tracks you 423 00:22:24,140 --> 00:22:21,029 can make that as long as you want but if 424 00:22:28,039 --> 00:22:24,150 you've got a documentary you got to keep 425 00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,049 it around 44 on 90 minutes so that's 426 00:22:32,930 --> 00:22:31,200 what we're just doing we're cutting the 427 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:32,940 film and leaving our children on the 428 00:22:37,820 --> 00:22:35,490 cutting room floor is very painful but 429 00:22:41,450 --> 00:22:37,830 we're just about done with that yes now 430 00:22:43,310 --> 00:22:41,460 if you are somebody your listeners want 431 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:43,320 to see coming attraction of the film 432 00:22:52,389 --> 00:22:48,330 that's available as a sure Internet 433 00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:52,399 address you can go to the guys spies 434 00:22:58,970 --> 00:22:57,240 third eye spies one word.com and see 435 00:23:03,350 --> 00:22:58,980 this is the four minute coming 436 00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:03,360 attraction we're going to put that in 437 00:23:11,299 --> 00:23:08,159 our like little blog spot that goes with 438 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:11,309 the shadowed reality podcast recording 439 00:23:20,539 --> 00:23:15,570 so if anybody wants to see your latest 440 00:23:22,100 --> 00:23:20,549 book which is the reality of ESP or know 441 00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:22,110 about third eye spy 442 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:27,320 spies we will have that up on our blog 443 00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:30,450 in conjunction with this interview and 444 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:33,480 thank you so very much Russell for being 445 00:23:38,269 --> 00:23:36,690 on shattered reality again we hope to 446 00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:38,279 see you soon I don't know if you're 447 00:23:45,019 --> 00:23:41,580 going to come to a new New Haven 448 00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,029 Connecticut in or that brand review I 449 00:23:48,889 --> 00:23:47,039 expect to see you there what is 450 00:23:52,389 --> 00:23:48,899 happening in New Haven what's happened 451 00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:52,399 in New York aren't you I think that yes 452 00:23:58,580 --> 00:23:56,159 SRT is happening in New Haven in June so 453 00:24:00,019 --> 00:23:58,590 maybe we'll get a chance to see very 454 00:24:01,700 --> 00:24:00,029 well thank you very much for the 455 00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:01,710 opportunity and I wish your happy new 456 00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:05,520 year yeah happy New Year to you and 457 00:24:11,779 --> 00:24:08,640 Patty and bye bye so long for now good 458 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:11,789 to speak to get back we are here on 459 00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:14,850 shattered reality with Michael Grosso 460 00:24:21,380 --> 00:24:18,870 who is the author of the wonderful book 461 00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:21,390 the man who could fly and several other 462 00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:25,440 books about a psychic phenomena and 463 00:24:29,419 --> 00:24:27,720 philosophy do you want to give us a 464 00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:29,429 rundown of that Michael and what you're 465 00:24:37,129 --> 00:24:29,700 doing 466 00:24:40,419 --> 00:24:37,139 right now is very odd yeah because I was 467 00:24:45,139 --> 00:24:40,429 invited out of the blue by an English 468 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:45,149 publisher to republish the first book I 469 00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:47,730 ever wrote really it it's called the 470 00:24:57,139 --> 00:24:51,299 final choice and the subtitle is death 471 00:25:00,680 --> 00:24:57,149 or enlightenment and the strange thing 472 00:25:03,950 --> 00:25:00,690 is that I think he picked it because 473 00:25:06,350 --> 00:25:03,960 when I wrote the book it's sort of about 474 00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:06,360 the near-death experience and the 475 00:25:13,580 --> 00:25:09,840 psychic dimension of reality but I wrote 476 00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:13,590 the book under the spell of a nucleus 477 00:25:19,009 --> 00:25:16,260 threat it's in that time there's just 478 00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:19,019 before Gorbachev you know called the 479 00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:23,760 perestroika and all that it was an 480 00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,760 element of we need to transform our 481 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:29,039 consciousness and maybe it's even 482 00:25:33,230 --> 00:25:31,289 possible that we could have a global a 483 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:33,240 near-death experience in fact we might 484 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:35,730 be forced into it in view of the 485 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:37,289 threatening world that we're living in 486 00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:39,450 that kind of an argument so but it's 487 00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:41,700 mostly you know about parapsychology and 488 00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:44,580 consciousness and evolution so what I'm 489 00:25:51,409 --> 00:25:48,799 doing right now is rewriting that book 490 00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:51,419 revising it and bringing it up to date 491 00:25:55,519 --> 00:25:54,169 and it's a very very interesting 492 00:25:59,539 --> 00:25:55,529 experience 493 00:26:02,899 --> 00:25:59,549 to being going back and re-entering my 494 00:26:06,259 --> 00:26:02,909 thought world at that time and but it's 495 00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,269 oddly enough the book is even may may be 496 00:26:11,810 --> 00:26:09,360 more pertinent today than it was when I 497 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:11,820 first published it several decades ago 498 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:14,730 well that I'm that's what I'm up to we 499 00:26:20,060 --> 00:26:17,130 would be very interested when you do 500 00:26:22,639 --> 00:26:20,070 finish it and you do publish it perhaps 501 00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:22,649 you would like to come back and discuss 502 00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:24,990 it at that time I'd be delighted 503 00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:28,320 and we delight but how strange to go 504 00:26:33,649 --> 00:26:31,260 back and review yourself as the North 505 00:26:36,649 --> 00:26:33,659 East several decades back oh what I 506 00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:36,659 realized was that a lot of the ideas 507 00:26:43,340 --> 00:26:38,820 some of the things I've been writing 508 00:26:45,260 --> 00:26:43,350 about lately and thinking about lately 509 00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:45,270 I had already written about at great 510 00:26:49,220 --> 00:26:47,460 length and in this book and I had 511 00:26:52,909 --> 00:26:49,230 forgotten I remember all the things that 512 00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:52,919 I've done I mean and I never read 513 00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,990 anything once I published it because I'm 514 00:26:59,240 --> 00:26:57,120 afraid I'm going to see something but I 515 00:27:03,320 --> 00:26:59,250 don't like and I'll be just totally 516 00:27:07,580 --> 00:27:03,330 embarrassed but the other thing I've 517 00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:07,590 been doing is the thinking about what I 518 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:10,640 call a taxonomy of mind body 519 00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:14,250 interactions and I'm happy to talk with 520 00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:16,740 you a little bit about my you know 521 00:27:25,210 --> 00:27:22,169 continuing interest in the strange outer 522 00:27:27,980 --> 00:27:25,220 limit potentials of the human mind but 523 00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:27,990 particularly I've been focusing on the 524 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:32,070 mind-body interactions the case of st. 525 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:34,530 Joseph is the most spectacular case on 526 00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:38,250 record of of levitation he's not the 527 00:27:44,590 --> 00:27:40,919 only one and what interests me there is 528 00:27:50,779 --> 00:27:44,600 how is it possible for consciousness to 529 00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:50,789 affect suspend the most basic force of 530 00:27:56,539 --> 00:27:53,039 the universe the glue of the universe 531 00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:56,549 gravity that's a mind-blowing idea so 532 00:28:02,210 --> 00:27:58,880 the other thing I've been doing is 533 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:02,220 developing this text taxonomy they're 534 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:05,610 going through the whole the history of 535 00:28:10,610 --> 00:28:07,289 course I'm not doing it you know as 536 00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:10,620 effectively as I'd like to but trying to 537 00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:16,380 make lists of different kinds of psycho 538 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:18,480 physical phenomena I'm very interested 539 00:28:26,419 --> 00:28:22,770 in the aspect of that theme that has to 540 00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:26,429 do with health yeah and in the role of 541 00:28:33,649 --> 00:28:31,440 the placebo which is really magic in the 542 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:33,659 middle of science and scientists don't 543 00:28:40,419 --> 00:28:36,570 even want to admit it because the fact 544 00:28:42,919 --> 00:28:40,429 is that the mind is able to often have 545 00:28:45,409 --> 00:28:42,929 equal and even more astonishing effects 546 00:28:47,630 --> 00:28:45,419 than any physical treatments and pills 547 00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:47,640 and all that and the records are there 548 00:28:53,030 --> 00:28:50,039 but it's sort of concealed under this 549 00:28:56,380 --> 00:28:53,040 Latin term placebo which means I please 550 00:28:59,620 --> 00:28:56,390 myself okay 551 00:29:03,100 --> 00:28:59,630 I know that's very interesting and I 552 00:29:05,770 --> 00:29:03,110 read today on your Facebook post a 553 00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:05,780 little bit about what you were doing 554 00:29:11,950 --> 00:29:09,980 with that and I would very much as I had 555 00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:11,960 said before we would like to have you 556 00:29:17,290 --> 00:29:14,990 back again when you do publish the book 557 00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:17,300 that you're doing a redoing for the 558 00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,390 English publisher however right this 559 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:23,360 minute this is a very special occasion 560 00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:27,530 today this is our holiday show and we 561 00:29:34,890 --> 00:29:31,700 what we did was decide that some of the 562 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:34,900 people who were mostly on talking about 563 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:38,570 other people's experiences or their 564 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:42,050 studies as you did about st. Joseph we 565 00:29:47,290 --> 00:29:43,730 thought we'd get in contact with a 566 00:29:49,870 --> 00:29:47,300 couple of our best former guests and ask 567 00:29:52,150 --> 00:29:49,880 them about their personal experiences 568 00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:52,160 and if they could supply one for a 569 00:29:58,780 --> 00:29:55,700 holiday show and you so kindly responded 570 00:30:01,900 --> 00:29:58,790 with a wonderfully interesting Christmas 571 00:30:05,140 --> 00:30:01,910 experience that you had had some years 572 00:30:09,130 --> 00:30:05,150 ago with oddly and now this is going to 573 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:09,140 become very synchronistic year with a 574 00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:10,850 friend of yours a female friend a 575 00:30:20,140 --> 00:30:13,700 girlfriend of viewers from the past and 576 00:30:25,150 --> 00:30:20,150 when we put your show up on youtube this 577 00:30:29,230 --> 00:30:25,160 same person wrote a comment founded on 578 00:30:32,490 --> 00:30:29,240 YouTube and wrote a comment but was only 579 00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:32,500 her name and so I did not have any 580 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:35,000 further information to give you so that 581 00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:38,090 you could possibly reconnect with um yes 582 00:30:42,580 --> 00:30:40,190 yes my lady 583 00:30:45,010 --> 00:30:42,590 without any success but maybe maybe 584 00:30:49,390 --> 00:30:45,020 she'll tune into this maybe she'll hear 585 00:30:52,570 --> 00:30:49,400 this podcast eventually and if so get in 586 00:30:55,150 --> 00:30:52,580 touch with me Francis yes or even if she 587 00:30:59,650 --> 00:30:55,160 writes a letter to shattered reality 588 00:31:02,500 --> 00:30:59,660 podcast calm and she writes a comment 589 00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:02,510 there then I'll have her email address 590 00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,840 and can contact you with it so Francis 591 00:31:10,010 --> 00:31:08,480 if you're listening yes don't be shy 592 00:31:12,919 --> 00:31:10,020 come on over 593 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:12,929 a new year this is a time for a whole 594 00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:14,850 new start the waters just right here 595 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:17,580 right anyway so Michael if you don't 596 00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:18,330 mind 597 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:21,720 tell us your artery yeah I will as a 598 00:31:27,230 --> 00:31:24,570 matter of fact I don't think there's any 599 00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:27,240 harm in me saying that the lady in this 600 00:31:36,590 --> 00:31:30,990 story is the same lady that got in touch 601 00:31:40,010 --> 00:31:36,600 with you and Sechrist Megan so at any 602 00:31:42,620 --> 00:31:40,020 rate this is a story about I don't 603 00:31:45,700 --> 00:31:42,630 really understand it but it's because it 604 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:45,710 seems to involve either a wild 605 00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:50,970 unbelievable coincidence or a mind my 606 00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:52,860 mind is some greater mind that 607 00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,130 intervened in a physical way and the 608 00:32:02,540 --> 00:31:58,559 story is about a certain Christmas Eve 609 00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:02,550 many years ago when Francis and I'm just 610 00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:04,620 going to say her name there's no crime 611 00:32:11,419 --> 00:32:09,480 against that we we had gone to a we had 612 00:32:14,150 --> 00:32:11,429 a little quarrel okay we had a lover's 613 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:14,160 quarrel and it had to do by the way and 614 00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:15,450 this is the setting for the whole story 615 00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,840 it was a terribly cold cold night it was 616 00:32:22,910 --> 00:32:20,880 the coldest night of the year on record 617 00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:22,920 okay that's the background of the story 618 00:32:30,650 --> 00:32:27,840 and I didn't want to go to a midnight 619 00:32:35,330 --> 00:32:30,660 mass I wanted to go to Mass in the 620 00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:35,340 morning and my lady friend insisted that 621 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:38,340 we go and so we had that led to a little 622 00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:41,010 disagreement and a little quarrel and by 623 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:44,460 the time we got back to where we're 624 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:46,490 going to spend the night which was my 625 00:32:52,190 --> 00:32:49,410 where I live in my apartment overlooking 626 00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:52,200 the Hudson River on in Edgewater New 627 00:32:58,340 --> 00:32:56,520 Jersey by that time we had the world 628 00:32:58,910 --> 00:32:58,350 sort of feeling rather grouchy toward 629 00:33:04,190 --> 00:32:58,920 each other 630 00:33:06,340 --> 00:33:04,200 mm-hmm and when we got inside it was 631 00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:06,350 very cold there a little heat and 632 00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:09,179 instead of warming each other up cozily 633 00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:12,000 as we might be very well disposed to do 634 00:33:20,260 --> 00:33:14,610 on holiday and under any circumstances 635 00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:20,270 we decided to stay apart and and in fact 636 00:33:26,140 --> 00:33:24,200 ended up sleeping in separate spaces and 637 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:26,150 I should also say for the background of 638 00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:29,330 the story part of my grumpiness was a 639 00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:32,830 kind of anti religiosity and a kind of 640 00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:35,840 contempt I was feeling for the Christmas 641 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:37,880 that the commercialization of Christmas 642 00:33:44,260 --> 00:33:42,320 I was I kind of a black mood in a way by 643 00:33:49,540 --> 00:33:44,270 the time I was by myself without my 644 00:33:52,210 --> 00:33:49,550 beautiful girlfriend close by and I was 645 00:33:54,610 --> 00:33:52,220 you know when got down on a couch 646 00:33:55,570 --> 00:33:54,620 somewhere and through the coats and 647 00:34:01,080 --> 00:33:55,580 stuff over me 648 00:34:07,299 --> 00:34:04,450 Francis woke me up and I looked up and 649 00:34:11,050 --> 00:34:07,309 her face is all bright and shiny and 650 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:11,060 she's pointing at the corner of the 651 00:34:17,830 --> 00:34:15,290 apartment at this plant I had this plank 652 00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:17,840 oh it's a Dracaena fragrance a tropical 653 00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:21,320 plant and she said look it flowered 654 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:24,020 overnight and I went over and not only 655 00:34:32,109 --> 00:34:27,649 did I see it but I realized the entire 656 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:32,119 apartment was flooded with an incredible 657 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:36,169 fragrance yes they are Franco a tropical 658 00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:41,450 plant and so there was Christmas Eve and 659 00:34:48,369 --> 00:34:45,560 bitter bitter cold and a tropical plant 660 00:34:51,369 --> 00:34:48,379 had flowered in our apartment after our 661 00:34:54,010 --> 00:34:51,379 angry and disappointing Christmas Eve 662 00:34:56,770 --> 00:34:54,020 together and we looked at each other and 663 00:34:59,950 --> 00:34:56,780 it felt like and the smell was just 664 00:35:04,720 --> 00:34:59,960 almost overwhelming we looked at each 665 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:04,730 other and we just automatically you know 666 00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:07,730 we connected and embraced and for the 667 00:35:11,859 --> 00:35:10,070 rest of the holiday was wonderful so 668 00:35:13,810 --> 00:35:11,869 what happened I started to think about 669 00:35:16,330 --> 00:35:13,820 this and make me a little uneasy because 670 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:16,340 I couldn't figure it out and I decided 671 00:35:21,010 --> 00:35:18,770 to do a little research so I was living 672 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:21,020 I used to know I used to live in the 673 00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:23,450 Bronx so I went straight to the 674 00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:26,300 Botanical Gardens and the Bronx yes I 675 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:28,670 knew where the experts were about plant 676 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:31,730 life and this is still like you know 677 00:35:37,180 --> 00:35:33,890 maybe a couple of weeks after Christmas 678 00:35:41,770 --> 00:35:37,190 but they were open and so I found my way 679 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:41,780 to an interview was one of the women 680 00:35:47,110 --> 00:35:45,170 there and told the story and I said you 681 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:47,120 know what's going on and she just looked 682 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:49,490 at me and said I'm here ago it's 683 00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:51,170 impossible it never happens 684 00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:55,400 problem ants do not bloom in zero 685 00:36:00,120 --> 00:35:57,200 temperature because that's how cold it 686 00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:00,130 was that night it was not people be cold 687 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:03,830 so I went to other places I looked it up 688 00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,410 and I walked away with the feeling that 689 00:36:13,260 --> 00:36:08,960 something had very very extraordinary 690 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:13,270 had happened and I thought about the 691 00:36:20,650 --> 00:36:17,450 archetypal nature of time symbolic time 692 00:36:22,930 --> 00:36:20,660 Christmas Eve is a magical time that's 693 00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:22,940 it is and we were turned off we were 694 00:36:28,570 --> 00:36:25,400 alienated from it I was the main cause 695 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:28,580 of it of the alienation I take full 696 00:36:34,590 --> 00:36:31,490 blame full responsibility 697 00:36:39,570 --> 00:36:34,600 that's gallant of you Michael of course 698 00:36:43,690 --> 00:36:39,580 but in the morning it was as though some 699 00:36:46,990 --> 00:36:43,700 very benevolent intelligence it decided 700 00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,000 to pull a fast one on both of us and 701 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:48,800 bring us together in this most amazing 702 00:36:53,650 --> 00:36:50,810 and astonishing way I've never forgotten 703 00:36:56,830 --> 00:36:53,660 the experience sounds beautiful really 704 00:37:00,610 --> 00:36:56,840 and right now I mean either you know 705 00:37:03,580 --> 00:37:00,620 when I think about it analytically it 706 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:03,590 may have been simply a coincidence but 707 00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:05,330 it sounds not like an impossible 708 00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:10,030 coincidence or maybe unconsciously 709 00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:16,510 we or I were the causal agency that 710 00:37:23,050 --> 00:37:19,640 caused the plant to flower or some other 711 00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:23,060 agency outside above us outside of the 712 00:37:28,930 --> 00:37:25,940 hole so you know maybe some larger mind 713 00:37:31,570 --> 00:37:28,940 your your so-called higher selves 714 00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,580 perhaps well yeah something but you know 715 00:37:35,980 --> 00:37:33,680 some kind of an intelligence operating 716 00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:35,990 that's how what it felt like to me to 717 00:37:42,550 --> 00:37:39,140 teach us a lesson and give us a gift it 718 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:42,560 was a gift them they were lit how often 719 00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:43,730 you get a gift like that on Christmas 720 00:37:48,250 --> 00:37:47,030 Eve not often enough is nothing 721 00:37:51,130 --> 00:37:48,260 different 722 00:37:54,220 --> 00:37:51,140 no that's the lovely story that's my 723 00:37:59,050 --> 00:37:54,230 story and I guess story of mysterious 724 00:38:01,330 --> 00:37:59,060 pique on a Christmas Eve yeah Wow Wow 725 00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,340 yes I know it could be considered 726 00:38:07,420 --> 00:38:04,160 psychokinesis for sure yes people yeah 727 00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:07,430 it could be and you know one never knows 728 00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:10,430 with these certain manners I mean you 729 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:14,150 know it is just so improbable and so out 730 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:15,530 of the ordinary 731 00:38:22,090 --> 00:38:18,770 typical pique would be kind of something 732 00:38:24,580 --> 00:38:22,100 that you had intended and apparently you 733 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:24,590 hadn't intended it perhaps Francis had 734 00:38:30,310 --> 00:38:26,530 intended it but we we don't know because 735 00:38:33,780 --> 00:38:30,320 Francis has not divulged her email to us 736 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:33,790 here right and and the other thing is 737 00:38:39,730 --> 00:38:37,010 pique could occur unconsciously in other 738 00:38:41,860 --> 00:38:39,740 words we don't all point about the 739 00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:41,870 paranormal most of the time it operates 740 00:38:49,390 --> 00:38:45,440 independently and sometimes a cigar is 741 00:38:51,940 --> 00:38:49,400 just a cigar and some benevolent person 742 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:51,950 or being or whatever decided you know 743 00:38:55,690 --> 00:38:53,930 what here's a happy merry Christmas to 744 00:38:59,680 --> 00:38:55,700 you and just gave you a really nice gift 745 00:39:02,080 --> 00:38:59,690 yes yes your guardian angel yeah doing 746 00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:02,090 that yeah yeah that's a very lovely 747 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:04,630 story it is whatever the interpretation 748 00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,570 is it's enriching to recall it and to 749 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:13,280 share it with other people because it 750 00:39:16,540 --> 00:39:14,690 just makes like a little bit more 751 00:39:20,020 --> 00:39:16,550 interesting a little bit more mysterious 752 00:39:22,900 --> 00:39:20,030 and I don't see how that can be a harm 753 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:22,910 no I think that it's important to keep 754 00:39:30,490 --> 00:39:27,050 the magic in our lives to to believe in 755 00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:30,500 magic with the Kay you know ma GIC Kay 756 00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:33,680 as opposed to stagecraft oh right of 757 00:39:40,060 --> 00:39:36,470 course of course I mention in the 758 00:39:42,610 --> 00:39:40,070 spelling but but I also I think we find 759 00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:42,620 that when these paranormal events occur 760 00:39:47,530 --> 00:39:45,380 they stay with us like if you had had 761 00:39:49,690 --> 00:39:47,540 several amaryllis has just happened to 762 00:39:51,970 --> 00:39:49,700 come to bloom that morning it wouldn't 763 00:39:53,740 --> 00:39:51,980 have had the same impact and I think 764 00:39:56,830 --> 00:39:53,750 that's what differentiates something 765 00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,840 like this from an ordinary event so I'm 766 00:39:59,500 --> 00:39:58,880 sure something extraordinary had 767 00:40:02,410 --> 00:39:59,510 happened 768 00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:02,420 well I mean I have had you know I've 769 00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:04,760 written a book about I don't consider 770 00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,250 myself a psychic but I've had a number 771 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:10,160 of psychic experiences and for a 772 00:40:15,370 --> 00:40:12,890 philosopher was interested in this 773 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:15,380 subject matter from an intellectual and 774 00:40:19,870 --> 00:40:17,450 scientific and philosophical point of 775 00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:19,880 view I mean I'm in a pretty good 776 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:23,780 situation compared to most people 777 00:40:30,700 --> 00:40:27,530 because I have had experiences of almost 778 00:40:34,030 --> 00:40:30,710 every single category of the paranormal 779 00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:34,040 at least once or twice I mean I've had 780 00:40:41,310 --> 00:40:37,250 several truly extraordinary precognitive 781 00:40:44,500 --> 00:40:41,320 experiences I've had a number of strange 782 00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:44,510 PK experiences I think this one I just 783 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:48,950 told counts another story I managed 784 00:40:54,820 --> 00:40:52,730 somehow physically interact with a 785 00:40:57,820 --> 00:40:54,830 person on the other side of the Atlantic 786 00:41:01,780 --> 00:40:57,830 Ocean and that's another story so I've 787 00:41:05,140 --> 00:41:01,790 had the whole bunch of experiences but 788 00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:05,150 they occur unexpectedly and rarely 789 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:09,230 mm-hmm I the first one that I remember 790 00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:11,450 is I was a little boy and I dreamt I was 791 00:41:17,140 --> 00:41:13,670 as a kid in the block I never played 792 00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:17,150 with mm-hmm I had a dream that I was 793 00:41:21,099 --> 00:41:18,980 playing ball with him I never did play 794 00:41:22,810 --> 00:41:21,109 ball with him before so that one I can 795 00:41:24,730 --> 00:41:22,820 get up kind breakfast I shoot outside 796 00:41:26,740 --> 00:41:24,740 and here's this kid that I never hang 797 00:41:30,099 --> 00:41:26,750 out with it does want to play ball Mike 798 00:41:34,510 --> 00:41:30,109 tough that's right I still remember it 799 00:41:38,590 --> 00:41:34,520 right why because it was seven today is 800 00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:38,600 so unusual and so yes I've had a wide 801 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:41,300 range but thank goodness it doesn't 802 00:41:45,700 --> 00:41:42,290 happen that often 803 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:45,710 thank goodness really I kind of thrive 804 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:50,570 on it myself but okay yeah well in any 805 00:41:55,570 --> 00:41:53,810 case just to wrap this up in two ways I 806 00:42:00,609 --> 00:41:55,580 wanted to say that one of the premises 807 00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,619 of this show was to mention that many of 808 00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:02,720 the people who have been on who haven't 809 00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:04,310 been talking about their personal 810 00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:06,800 experiences such as yourself when you 811 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:12,780 you know we thought it would be a nice 812 00:42:18,300 --> 00:42:15,310 idea to get of new people on to see if 813 00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:18,310 they had had psychic experiences and I 814 00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:21,550 did mention and and k22 Russell Targ who 815 00:42:27,210 --> 00:42:25,420 had just been on before you about how 816 00:42:30,569 --> 00:42:27,220 there are a few people out there who 817 00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:30,579 were researching some area of the 818 00:42:37,740 --> 00:42:34,480 paranormal pretty much with at least 50% 819 00:42:40,349 --> 00:42:37,750 of their energy and interests and have 820 00:42:43,050 --> 00:42:40,359 never had an experience and I would have 821 00:42:45,329 --> 00:42:43,060 found that very difficult to keep up my 822 00:42:49,140 --> 00:42:45,339 own interest in the paranormal if I 823 00:42:51,690 --> 00:42:49,150 didn't have any experiences so just I 824 00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:51,700 wanted to wrap it up with if you want to 825 00:42:57,420 --> 00:42:55,150 you know mention a book website anything 826 00:43:01,700 --> 00:42:57,430 like that Michael right now because well 827 00:43:04,290 --> 00:43:01,710 you know I do have a blog and I'm 828 00:43:06,810 --> 00:43:04,300 periodically publishing stuff there and 829 00:43:10,290 --> 00:43:06,820 it's you know what is it a fact it's 830 00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:10,300 gone a consciousness unbound dot blog 831 00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:14,560 spot.com I think it's calm yeah calm 832 00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:16,510 right and if anybody is interested 833 00:43:22,500 --> 00:43:19,720 that's I welcome and I welcome comments 834 00:43:24,420 --> 00:43:22,510 and conversation on that I think I have 835 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:24,430 to put up a sign I don't have anything 836 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:28,690 it says sign up or engage or comment I 837 00:43:34,620 --> 00:43:31,210 think it's I think you have to sign in 838 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:34,630 to comment I think I was about to make a 839 00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:37,690 comment a couple of weeks ago and I 840 00:43:42,690 --> 00:43:40,150 wasn't on the proper I wasn't on my main 841 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:42,700 computer I was on a handheld device and 842 00:43:47,220 --> 00:43:45,010 I I found that I was unable to sign in 843 00:43:50,609 --> 00:43:47,230 at that juncture but I will go back 844 00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:50,619 furthermore it will be put up on our 845 00:43:59,609 --> 00:43:55,859 blog spot our blog for shattered reality 846 00:44:03,240 --> 00:43:59,619 podcast.com and shattered reality dot 847 00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:03,250 word press dot chatted reality podcast 848 00:44:11,490 --> 00:44:05,470 about wordpress.com how to get that out 849 00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:11,500 me so he said something easier but thank 850 00:44:19,859 --> 00:44:16,270 you by the way I have to tell you guys I 851 00:44:23,069 --> 00:44:19,869 love the shattered reality title does 852 00:44:24,359 --> 00:44:23,079 that attract people I I just think so we 853 00:44:27,390 --> 00:44:24,369 hope so 854 00:44:29,789 --> 00:44:27,400 that was the idea it's dramatic and it 855 00:44:32,940 --> 00:44:29,799 we need to have our realities shattered 856 00:44:34,799 --> 00:44:32,950 from time to time so accepted to new 857 00:44:36,569 --> 00:44:34,809 realities very cool very cool 858 00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:36,579 well thank you so much and we hope that 859 00:44:40,229 --> 00:44:39,670 you have the best New Year ever Michael 860 00:44:42,209 --> 00:44:40,239 yeah 861 00:44:46,789 --> 00:44:42,219 guys do I hope to be in touch with you 862 00:44:53,279 --> 00:44:46,799 okay - bye bye bye and now bye bye bye 863 00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:53,289 hello hi is this our listener Peter baby 864 00:44:58,799 --> 00:44:56,529 yes hi this is firoozeh 865 00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:58,809 and gave Valentine here with you Peter 866 00:45:05,279 --> 00:45:01,599 and we are here from shattered reality 867 00:45:08,789 --> 00:45:05,289 podcast because you had gotten in touch 868 00:45:12,900 --> 00:45:08,799 with me and told me about a miraculous 869 00:45:15,620 --> 00:45:12,910 experience you had in San Diego would 870 00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:15,630 you like to tell us about it Peter 871 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:21,190 sure ah I don't know who it's miraculous 872 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:26,170 Wow but it's true and out of the 873 00:45:38,479 --> 00:45:36,479 was I was traveling with my son and 874 00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:38,489 about 10 years old at the time back 875 00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:42,910 mm-hmm but 91 1991 and we were going 876 00:45:48,989 --> 00:45:45,910 down the coast to California we've just 877 00:45:51,630 --> 00:45:48,999 gone to Universal Studios and we're 878 00:45:53,789 --> 00:45:51,640 driving down to San Diego that in pretty 879 00:45:58,999 --> 00:45:53,799 late in heaven home got a room at the 880 00:46:04,190 --> 00:45:59,009 Hotel del Coronado and we checked in and 881 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:10,349 during the course of that night I felt I 882 00:46:17,370 --> 00:46:13,450 was awakened I was maybe I felt I was 883 00:46:21,569 --> 00:46:17,380 dreaming at first and I was awakened for 884 00:46:24,359 --> 00:46:21,579 looking at the television set and it was 885 00:46:28,709 --> 00:46:24,369 it was completely dark I had always 886 00:46:32,969 --> 00:46:28,719 liked pre clock in the morning and the 887 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:32,979 TV said had an image of a woman on it it 888 00:46:38,010 --> 00:46:35,410 appeared to be black and white if I was 889 00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:38,020 forced I would say the hair was like 890 00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:44,400 and she was clearly in distress and and 891 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:47,500 asking me or anybody I guess looking at 892 00:46:53,490 --> 00:46:51,210 the TV at the time to help them I 893 00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:53,500 thinking it might have been a dream I 894 00:46:59,730 --> 00:46:56,470 sat up in bed I saw my son sleeping in 895 00:47:04,590 --> 00:46:59,740 the other bed and I realized he wasn't 896 00:47:06,890 --> 00:47:04,600 awakened by it and it continued while it 897 00:47:12,450 --> 00:47:06,900 was continuing he was still sleeping and 898 00:47:18,740 --> 00:47:12,460 so I had a lot of bravado because I had 899 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:22,140 for lack of better words a ghost mm-hmm 900 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:25,330 that it wouldn't harm me so I didn't 901 00:47:33,180 --> 00:47:29,530 feel I wasn't afraid I just couldn't 902 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:33,190 understand it so I got up and I went to 903 00:47:39,090 --> 00:47:35,050 the window and I looked out the window 904 00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:39,100 and saw nothing but kinda was like 905 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:42,040 making sure I was awake went to the foot 906 00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:44,650 went to the door looked in the peephole 907 00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:48,160 I went back to the TV where this woman 908 00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:51,760 was still asking I know didn't say a lot 909 00:48:00,480 --> 00:47:57,430 uh helped me healthy really helped me 910 00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,490 and repeated that over huh I went around 911 00:48:05,070 --> 00:48:02,800 that the TV was off there were no lights 912 00:48:07,980 --> 00:48:05,080 on it I went behind it and everything 913 00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:07,990 else my hands all around I was looking 914 00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:10,270 and I just kept looking at this thing 915 00:48:19,140 --> 00:48:13,420 and I might have responded something 916 00:48:23,070 --> 00:48:19,150 along the lines of how and and it just 917 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:23,080 it repeated itself and it kept repeating 918 00:48:33,180 --> 00:48:27,609 itself to the point I just sat on a bed 919 00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:33,190 looking at her and at some point close 920 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:38,050 to daybreak it just stopped and I just I 921 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:41,410 laid there looking at the TV staring at 922 00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:43,930 it so when the when the Sun was up I got 923 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:45,730 on the phone and I called downstairs and 924 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:50,290 I said listen I just had an experience 925 00:48:53,820 --> 00:48:51,490 that 926 00:48:56,910 --> 00:48:53,830 I don't even want to explain I'd like 927 00:48:59,640 --> 00:48:56,920 another room and then he looked in it 928 00:49:05,280 --> 00:48:59,650 and the guy told me at the desk he said 929 00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:05,290 to me that uh someone had died in that 930 00:49:13,500 --> 00:49:09,369 room uh and I was I was in what is known 931 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:13,510 as the old wing the first the first part 932 00:49:24,030 --> 00:49:17,890 the first building of uh of the Hotel 933 00:49:26,430 --> 00:49:24,040 del Coronado in San Diego and and he 934 00:49:30,090 --> 00:49:26,440 said that I didn't I didn't even I said 935 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:30,100 I said well I had an experience and I 936 00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:31,930 didn't even ask him whether this person 937 00:49:40,260 --> 00:49:34,090 had killed themselves or had been 938 00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:40,270 murdered and in looking at the woman and 939 00:49:45,060 --> 00:49:42,340 really thinking back to the woman I 940 00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:45,070 could only imagine a person exhibiting 941 00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:47,980 that much distress wouldn't have been 942 00:49:55,710 --> 00:49:51,450 trying to commit suicide huh it appeared 943 00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:55,720 apparently it seemed that in some way 944 00:49:59,300 --> 00:49:58,570 she was begging for someone to prevent 945 00:50:08,310 --> 00:49:59,310 her murder 946 00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:08,320 Wow and it's a and it it's it's 947 00:50:13,260 --> 00:50:09,910 something I never discussed because 948 00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:13,270 basically you don't get a lot of people 949 00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:14,980 thinking whatever you're saying what 950 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:19,950 your experience is true but having no a 951 00:50:25,170 --> 00:50:22,930 no reason to not tell you everything 952 00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:25,180 exactly how it happened 953 00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:28,470 would would just be the insane of myself 954 00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:31,630 so that's just what happened okay I 955 00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:34,390 really have an opportunity to discuss it 956 00:50:38,820 --> 00:50:36,670 and I want to thank you uh for listening 957 00:50:41,730 --> 00:50:38,830 well thank you for being a listener to 958 00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:41,740 shattered reality podcast and we hope 959 00:50:47,820 --> 00:50:43,859 that you will continue to listen and 960 00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:47,830 your anonymity is been reasonably 961 00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:49,990 preserved by coming up only with the 962 00:50:57,030 --> 00:50:53,470 first name so no no worries there but - 963 00:51:00,990 --> 00:50:57,040 thank you so very much and we really 964 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:01,000 appreciate your listenership Peter well 965 00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:02,890 it might be interesting to see if any 966 00:51:06,690 --> 00:51:04,570 other listeners 967 00:51:10,140 --> 00:51:06,700 I want to look back into the directory 968 00:51:12,090 --> 00:51:10,150 of the Hotel del Coronado in 1991 search 969 00:51:13,860 --> 00:51:12,100 out for the Peters that registered there 970 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:13,870 and who knows they might come up with 971 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:16,330 who I am but they might but unless 972 00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:18,850 unless it's a three-letter agency I 973 00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:21,250 don't think anybody's going to go doing 974 00:51:28,770 --> 00:51:25,570 that they'll go oh and one last thing to 975 00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:28,780 you how here do you Peter thank you so 976 00:51:32,340 --> 00:51:31,150 much thank you and there's a burglar cry 977 00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:32,350 now 978 00:51:38,940 --> 00:51:35,310 but wow that was really interesting yep 979 00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:38,950 here had quite a story there and I'm so 980 00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:41,410 glad that he did get in touch with me 981 00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:43,510 being a listener and and hearing the 982 00:51:47,580 --> 00:51:44,980 things that we've been speaking about 983 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:47,590 and it fits so nicely in with the other 984 00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,290 two fellows with their experiences so we 985 00:51:56,250 --> 00:51:53,440 had two experiences from guests and now 986 00:51:58,770 --> 00:51:56,260 an experience from a listener and you 987 00:52:01,800 --> 00:51:58,780 wanted to invite people to oh yeah I 988 00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:01,810 think it really it helps a great deal is 989 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:03,940 the more we hear you know there's not 990 00:52:08,180 --> 00:52:05,890 many venues where you can say look this 991 00:52:11,070 --> 00:52:08,190 really peculiar thing happened to me and 992 00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:11,080 you know it wasn't bad it wasn't good it 993 00:52:16,770 --> 00:52:13,900 was peculiar and I have nobody to tell 994 00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:16,780 it to or anybody to evaluate it was a 995 00:52:21,060 --> 00:52:18,910 good experience band experience silly 996 00:52:23,550 --> 00:52:21,070 experience I don't know but we'd really 997 00:52:25,740 --> 00:52:23,560 love to have you sir with us because 998 00:52:28,650 --> 00:52:25,750 again as I said to you during the break 999 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:28,660 so I don't so to speak the more events 1000 00:52:34,260 --> 00:52:31,330 like this that are brought out in the 1001 00:52:36,780 --> 00:52:34,270 open the less paranormal becomes a more 1002 00:52:38,910 --> 00:52:36,790 normal it becomes and that's when you 1003 00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:38,920 may start getting enough data where 1004 00:52:43,410 --> 00:52:41,920 these things will then seem to have a 1005 00:52:45,690 --> 00:52:43,420 recent direction as to where they're 1006 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:45,700 going and more validity in the gen yeah 1007 00:52:50,940 --> 00:52:48,130 in the general public where of course 1008 00:52:53,730 --> 00:52:50,950 there's back and I mean I can't point to 1009 00:52:58,070 --> 00:52:53,740 a particular period in history but both 1010 00:53:01,470 --> 00:52:58,080 mate basically anytime before the the 1011 00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:01,480 Scientific Revolution yeah it was 1700 1012 00:53:06,180 --> 00:53:03,910 and you have to say yes these things 1013 00:53:09,630 --> 00:53:06,190 were considered to be the absolute truth 1014 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:09,640 and so normal and normal as well but 1015 00:53:16,650 --> 00:53:13,810 before we go I have a couple of things 1016 00:53:18,210 --> 00:53:16,660 to say note sment and one thing is to 1017 00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:18,220 thank 1018 00:53:25,740 --> 00:53:21,550 George filer of the filers files for 1019 00:53:29,970 --> 00:53:25,750 reprinting my blogspot mom which was 1020 00:53:33,810 --> 00:53:29,980 called evolution extraterrestrial 1021 00:53:36,660 --> 00:53:33,820 evolution and here III we printed it on 1022 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:36,670 filers files and it has gotten a lot of 1023 00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:41,890 positive feedback not only that but I 1024 00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:43,900 wanted to mention one of our other 1025 00:53:49,470 --> 00:53:47,140 listeners whose name is Oberon hedge co 1026 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:49,480 and and just mention him sort of 1027 00:53:55,850 --> 00:53:51,850 shout-out to him because he sent such a 1028 00:53:58,620 --> 00:53:55,860 nice holiday Christmas message to us 1029 00:54:02,250 --> 00:53:58,630 wishing us a happy holiday and saying 1030 00:54:04,110 --> 00:54:02,260 how much he really liked our podcast and 1031 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:04,120 how he thought it was really tip-top and 1032 00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:06,610 none better well thank you so much 1033 00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:07,150 really 1034 00:54:12,020 --> 00:54:10,030 that's nice to hear things yes it is you 1035 00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,030 know sometimes you feel like you're just 1036 00:54:16,890 --> 00:54:14,800 broadcasting into the ether and nobody's 1037 00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:16,900 out there and so it's great especially 1038 00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:19,420 positive feedback is always very very 1039 00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:22,630 fresh it is very appreciated and we 1040 00:54:27,780 --> 00:54:25,480 accept all kinds of feedback but we do I 1041 00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:27,790 positively also for the positive release 1042 00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,640 the constructive you not just be a and 1043 00:54:36,390 --> 00:54:33,040 one thing to remember about this podcast 1044 00:54:38,730 --> 00:54:36,400 is that it is conversational because 1045 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:38,740 basically the only real criticism I've 1046 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:40,810 gotten on on our different various 1047 00:54:47,310 --> 00:54:45,010 venues is that we talk to well hello if 1048 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:47,320 you just want to hear the person most of 1049 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:50,170 our guests are pretty famous and there 1050 00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:51,730 is stuff out there with just them 1051 00:54:58,740 --> 00:54:56,260 talking at you know continuously this is 1052 00:55:01,770 --> 00:54:58,750 not a podcast which somebody gives a 1053 00:55:06,500 --> 00:55:01,780 speech we are a conversational podcast I 1054 00:55:10,860 --> 00:55:06,510 also would like to thank our our 1055 00:55:14,990 --> 00:55:10,870 engineer Phil and and another person who 1056 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:15,000 has been helping with our online issues 1057 00:55:20,340 --> 00:55:17,770 technical issues and that's Jerry and no 1058 00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:20,350 less names mentioned here because not 1059 00:55:24,690 --> 00:55:22,150 necessarily Jerry knows who he is and 1060 00:55:26,820 --> 00:55:24,700 Bill knows who he is but we thank them 1061 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:26,830 both independently and they're both 1062 00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:29,050 being watched so they both see and watch 1063 00:55:33,229 --> 00:55:30,079 you know 1064 00:55:38,779 --> 00:55:33,239 and I believe that one of our next 1065 00:55:41,149 --> 00:55:38,789 guests is the Ryan Sprague okay and he 1066 00:55:43,999 --> 00:55:41,159 has written a new book which is very 1067 00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:44,009 very interesting and I believe it's in 1068 00:55:48,319 --> 00:55:46,319 the skies and I think I might have left 1069 00:55:51,769 --> 00:55:48,329 out a word there but I'm in the midst of 1070 00:55:54,819 --> 00:55:51,779 reading it I'm very positively impressed 1071 00:55:58,429 --> 00:55:54,829 by it and we're hoping to have him on 1072 00:56:01,009 --> 00:55:58,439 next or next after that but he's agreed 1073 00:56:02,809 --> 00:56:01,019 and we we want to speak with him and I'm 1074 00:56:06,649 --> 00:56:02,819 sure you'll be loving to hear from him 1075 00:56:08,929 --> 00:56:06,659 and so now Kate yes and he's fishy bye 1076 00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:08,939 well no no no we have to wish our 1077 00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:11,129 listeners a Happy New Year absolutely a 1078 00:56:14,859 --> 00:56:14,249 healthy and prosperous one live long and 1079 00:56:19,849 --> 00:56:14,869 prosper 1080 00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:19,859 try to do that I do like this Spock 1081 00:56:24,889 --> 00:56:22,079 finger in there I can't quite guy and 1082 00:56:26,989 --> 00:56:24,899 there I go there goes me I can't leave 1083 00:56:30,499 --> 00:56:26,999 it with one hand all right well anyway 1084 00:56:31,609 --> 00:56:30,509 in memory of the good Valenti boy yes it 1085 00:56:36,139 --> 00:56:31,619 is 1086 00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:36,149 okay I guess it's time to say good